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[edit] Parser Functions - #time

Can you tell me if the [1] parser function is enabled on this wiki. I can not seem to get it to work and do not see how I can tell what is enabled on the server. If it is available and just not enabled how would one go about making a request to get it enabled? Thanks. Glamtre 00:38, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

Ask Fyren, he is the server admin and would probably know. --Rainith 00:41, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

Thanks, reposting this over to Fyren. Glamtre 12:33, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

[edit] GW:1RV issue

Could you (or another admin) take a look at Gate of Madness (Mission)? Mikkel reverted my edit of his addition, although his word usage is obviously incorrect. —Dr Ishmael Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif (talk|contribs) 12:14, 11 April 2007 (CDT)

Rofl, "neutered" strikes again. Go have a look at faintheartedness. –Ichigo724Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg 12:18, 11 April 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Hey could you help

This random anon, won't get off my back. I am pretty sure he/she is in violation of GW:NPA. Thanks! "Do you do anything constructive on wiki, or just post this communist crap and make stupid discussions." 138.217.165.69 21:52, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

Readem (talk*contribs) 22:04, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

It's User:Solus, check this edit. –Ichigo724Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg 22:44, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

[edit] sorting demo

I suspect the missing columns are a result of something else, not related to the sorting javascript.

Can you take a look at Help:Sortable, User:PanSola/Mesmer skills, and User:PanSola/Warrior skills for a general review of the sorting mechanism while I figure out the issue? -PanSola 12:47, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

The pages User:PanSola/Mesmer skills and User:PanSola/Warrior skills work better, although some of the columns return "Error on page" when I try to sort by them - but all columns seem to be visible and about half of them do sort.
On Perfect stat weapons (Inspiration Magic) and related pages, I still have several columns missing (see screen shot at GuildWiki_talk:Style_and_formatting/Quick_references/Weapons#Discussion_of_using_sortable_tables). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 13:55, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

Putting the following code in your Special:Mypage/monobook.js, and see if the columns come back. The missing are related to the column hiding CSS feature, not related to sorting at all. If the code works I'll dump it into MediaWiki:Common.js.

Hmm, can you list the columns that work vs the ones that don't work? If I can figure out a pattern I might be able to fix it. I'm already running a customized version of the sorting script for myself. -PanSola 22:30, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Begin code for Special:Mypage/monobook.js

/* A function to fix the CSS problems due to IE7 not implementing display:table-cell; from CSS 2

*/
function hideColFix() {
    var browserName=navigator.appName; 
    var browserVer =parseInt(navigator.appVersion);

    if (browserName=="Microsoft Internet Explorer"){
        fixTable("hidecol1",0);           
        fixTable("hidecol2",1);
        fixTable("hidecol3",2);
        fixTable("hidecol4",3);
        fixTable("hidecol5",4);
        fixTable("hidecol6",5);
        fixTable("hidecol7",6);
        fixTable("hidecol8",7);
        fixTable("hidecol9",8);
        fixTable("hidecol10",9);
    }
}
function fixTable(className, idx){
    var theTables = getElementsByClassName(document, "table", className);
    for (var i=0; i < theTables.length; i++){
        var curTable = theTables[i];
        var theRows = curTable.rows;
        if (theRows[0].cells.length < idx) continue; // not enough columns, skip

        curTable.className = curTable.className.replace(className, '');
        for (var j=0; j < theRows.length; j++){
            theRows[j].cells[idx].style.display='none';
        }
    }
}
addOnloadHook(hideColFix);
/*
*/

[edit] End code for Special:Mypage/monobook.js

The above code solves the problem on Mesmer perfect weapons.
On User:PanSola/Warrior skills and User:PanSola/Mesmer skills, there were more that work than I realized - only three give an error. Here are the columns I see, and the effects of the sort button:

  • Name - sorts correctly, but then shows "Error on page" in the status bar
  • Prof/Attr - sorts correctly, but then shows "Error on page" in the status bar
  • Type/Desc - sorts correctly, but then shows "Error on page" in the status bar
  • (blank, no column name) - Doesn't sort - returns message "Error on page" in the status bar
  • (blank, no column name) - sorts correctly, but then shows "Error on page" in the status bar
  • (blank, no column name) - sorts correctly, but then shows "Error on page" in the status bar
  • (blank, no column name) - sorts correctly, but then shows "Error on page" in the status bar
  • C - sorts correctly, but then shows "Error on page" in the status bar
  • dupe - Doesn't sort - returns message "Error on page" in the status bar
  • Q - Doesn't sort - returns message "Error on page" in the status bar

I also noticed that the alt-text when floating over the sort icon returns a square box - my assumption is that you're using an icon that IE doesn't know (and there are a lot it doesn't know). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 12:09, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

Are you using my modified sorting javascript, or the one came with MediaWiki? Do the errors appear on Mesmer perfect weapons? -PanSola 18:04, 14 April 2007 (CDT)
Blah, to try my modified sorting javascript, put the following in your Special:Mypage/monobook.js:
/* 
 */
function sortableTables() {
    if (getElementsByClassName(document, "table", "sortable").length != 0) {
        document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="/wiki?title=User:PanSola/sortable_mod.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript"></script>');
    }
}
/*
*/
Using this javascript, nothing sorts (although at least all columns can be seen). Reverting back to the older version that you provided further above - the Mesmer perfect weapons page works fine. (see User:Barek/monobook.js for my current js settings).
Further test results on the User:PanSola/Warrior skills and User:PanSola/Mesmer skills pages ... at first, all but three columns sort correctly with no errors - once I try sorting by one of the three that fail to sort, all columns begin showing "error on page" messages (although all but those three still sort, just now with the error message). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:25, 14 April 2007 (CDT)
Try this one and let me know how it behaves. IE6 had rather lousy error-reporting (very non-informative). It is saddening to know that IE7 doesn't provide something more helpful.
/* 
 */
function sortableTables() {
    if (getElementsByClassName(document, "table", "sortable").length != 0) {
        document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="/wiki?title=MediaWiki:sortable_mod.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript"></script>');
    }
}
/*
*/
I tried it - then reverted back again. With this version, none of the sorts worked.
Also, was something changed on Mesmer_perfect_weapons? The page has gone totally invisible to me - no wiki navigation on the left, no edit link at the top - nothing ... the page simply resuses to display in IE7. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:14, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
o_O"""" Umm... try removing the column-fixing code I gave you from your Monobook.js, cuz I've put it in MediaWiki:Common.js already. Not that I think the redundancy should've affect anything, but now I'm so confused I don't know what to think. -PanSola 02:13, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
looks like some of the subpages inside Mesmer Perfect weapons are scewy with IE but not affecting FireFox. I'll try to track that down... -PanSola 02:20, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
Um, ok, now I'm SUPER confused. I just did some testing on Talk:Perfect stat weapons (Domination Magic requiring). Right now, it's a blanked page, and my IE6 shows a completely blank screen like what you described (I was testing Perfect stat weapons (Domination Magic requiring) at first, trying to isolate the source problem)... Let me whether your IE can load up that blank talk page. -PanSola 02:26, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
Talk page shows up normal blank in FF, IE6 and opera, normal page looks fine in opera and FF, but completely blank in IE. –Ichigo724Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg 09:52, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
If I try openning the older version (before the page was blanked), I see content for a fraction of a second, then the entire page vanishes (including side bar, edit tab, etc). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 10:17, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
Can you check if every single previous version of the talk page blanks the window, or only certain revisions? That information may come in handy in figuring out what the heck is going wrong. -PanSola 13:52, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
Going to the history tab ... the following edits cause the blank page effect in IE7 (times are CDT):
  • 1:24 edit with no summary text.
  • 1:22 edit with summary "wands"
  • 1:22 edit with summary "foci"
  • 1:21 edit with summary "wands"
I hope that helps. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:47, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

Resetting indent. Does all or none or some of the following links blank the entire window?

-PanSola 03:19, 19 April 2007 (CDT)

Also, try the following for your monobook.js:

function sortableTables() {
    if (getElementsByClassName(document, "table", "sortable").length != 0) {
        document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="/wiki?title=MediaWiki:Sortable_mod.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript"></script>');
    }
}

and see if any of the above links change behavior. Slso, see how things behave on http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:PanSola/Test3 , it uses the same javascript I wrote for GuildWiki, but I have some reports saying things work well overthere. -PanSola 04:48, 19 April 2007 (CDT) -PanSola 03:57, 19 April 2007 (CDT)

The first three examples come up with blank screens, the other present data. The only impact of the additional Javascript was that it broke the sort function - with it in my .js space, the same screens displayed, but the sort buttons had no effect. The Wikia page works that same way - it displays, but the sort buttons have no effect. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 10:46, 20 April 2007 (CDT)
Hmm, so, if you use MediaWiki's bulit-in sort, then is the current status of stuff:
is that currect? -User:PanSola (talk to the Image:follower of Lyssa.png) 00:02, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
I believe so, yes ... although the "Inscription" column for Wands on Mesmer perfect weapons doesn't sort correctly (Energy, Damage, Damage, Energy ... why is the first energy sorted to the top?). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 10:42, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
I'm not sure. I can reproduce it on IE6, but not on FireFox, so it might just be something else that MicroSoft screwed up. On the other hand, GuildWiki's copy of MediaWiki sorting code has some stuff I didn't like, and there might be browser-compatibility-dependent bugs related to that. Perhaps once I figured out why *MY* sorting code doesn't work on IE at all, my code might not have that issue. Maybe you can bug Rainith or Gravewit to update the wikibits that GuildWiki uses to a newer version and see if that *might* fix the issue before I'm done with my mod. Anyways, so are you ready to further comment on GuildWiki talk:Style and formatting/Quick references/Weapons? d-: -User:PanSola (talk to the Image:follower of Lyssa.png) 17:19, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Alt text on the sorting images

The MediaWiki original sorttable javascripts use "↑" and "↓" for the alt text. My moddded script can pick something else if you have any good suggestions. For some reason, on Firefox the alt text won't appear at all, even though both "↑" and "↓" render correctly normally. -PanSola 21:14, 15 April 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Have a look at

User:Rexaar's ip please, if it's 71.194.26.15, he vandalized Flesh Golem (minion). He raises suspicion when looking at Special:Contributions/71.194.26.15 (his first edit), then the first edit to Build:A/N_Minion_Stealer) –Ichigo724Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg 21:33, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

>.> 71.194.26.15 just got banhammered, he kept vandalizing. –Ichigo724Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg 22:02, 13 April 2007 (CDT)
You'd have to ask Fyren to check the ip, he has server access. --Rainith 22:03, 13 April 2007 (CDT)
Argh. Will do. –Ichigo724Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg 22:05, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Thanks ^^

Hey, thanks for unbanning me, you really scared me there for a bit XD Again I'd like to apoligize, I really did mean to. I'll keep it in mind for the future >>; --Rickyvantof 19:27, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Blocked again?

GWW won't work for me again. :( My friend says either my IP has been blocked, or theres a broken router somewhere between my house and guildwars.com. Do you know how I would find out? :S I'm not getting any lag or problems with any other domains, and I can connect to the game. - BeXor Image:Bexor.png 04:13, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

As soon as I ask for help it fixes itself. I'm going to keep reports of whenever this happens from now on. It's getting annoying! - BeXor Image:Bexor.png 04:20, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

And it's dead again already. I'm gonna go punch the internet in the face. - BeXor Image:Bexor.png 04:22, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
Punch it! Punch it!!!
If you're on windows you can try doing a tracert wiki.guildwars.com in the command prompt, but tbh it's probably not going to help. Wikipedia:Traceroute. Not sure what else you can try, maybe try asking Fyren. <LordBiro>/<Talk> 07:19, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
Hmm, probably not something on Bexor's side. Hearing from a few people that they're having trouble loading the wiki as well. --Dirigible 07:25, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
To help rule out potential causes, a tracert helps. I would also be curious to know if everyone having trouble are either in the same geographical area or using the same ISP. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 10:10, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
Yeah I did a few tracerts while I was waiting. And I totally punched it right in the face (and someone set up a proxy for me to work through) and it started working again. >_> - BeXor Image:Bexor.png 01:25, 25 April 2007 (CDT)

[edit] User:Jagre & User:"J"

Same user most likely, repetivly breaking NPA etc... see Build talk:N/P Spiteful Spear-it. -- Solus 22:23, 27 April 2007 (CDT)

1 day ban... we've been through all this before... Solus 22:42, 27 April 2007 (CDT)

I agree, i would say more due to socking with other accounts?--Stevo101 22:44, 27 April 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Common scams

User Entropy seems to think ferrying and straight out begging is scamming, I reverted as is clearly isn't, yet she re-reverted again without proving a point expect pointless discussion regarding me archiving. I know you know how to deal with these situtions, as with Fyren and the Aegis issue. She clearly violated the GuildWiki:Only revert once policy, so another one of these conflicts needs to be re-solved. Solus 02:50, 28 April 2007 (CDT)

Beg pardon, Mr. Solus, but as you did not even bother to read my arguments ("fyi I didn't even bother to read your post"), dismissing them as "crap" and wisely choosing the most irrelevant paragraph to bring to Barek's attention, I do not think you have the moral high ground here. "she re-reverted again without proving a point expect pointless discussion regarding me archiving" -I attempted to prove a point, and what did you do? Dismiss all discussion as spurious drivel. "User Entropy seems to think ferrying and straight out begging is scamming" You are again putting words in my mouth. I never said ferrying was scamming. But you didn't read my post, so how would you know? I clearly pointed out that the so-called "ferry" from Cantha and Elona to Prophecies is a scam, yet you continually choose to ignore this well-known fact. Finally, "She clearly violated the GuildWiki:Only revert once policy" - you may note that I did not revert the page. Rather, I put the contested material in comment brackets. If you are of Solus' mindset, the information will never be seen whilst reading the article. If you disagree and care to revert, well then, remove the brackets. Either way the general public will still see Solus' views, and all is well and good. So I do not see a problem. Image:Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 03:17, 28 April 2007 (CDT)

PArt of the Only revert once policy is DO NOT RE-INSERT the information straight away, as you did with little discussion and little reasoning. Solus 03:24, 28 April 2007 (CDT)

A direct quote Barek said to me, which I have come to agree with "Your edit here is a violation of GW:1RV. If an edit is removed, take it to the talk page and try to reach concensus, do not automatically re-insert the text. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 10:55, 17 April 2007 (CDT)". Did you come to reasoning over the edit, no. You may disagree with me all you like, but you an't simply always think you are right. Solus 03:27, 28 April 2007 (CDT)

If I had "little discussion and little reasoning", then you, Sir, had no discission and no reasoning, as can be seen on your Talk page. While you could have debated the merit of the notes with any number of reasons, your stance so far seems to be "I'm right, you're wrong, and I'm not willing to discuss the issue at all." If you are not even willing to read an opposing viewpoint, then I don't think that should entitle you to make claims of others having "little reason" and "always think[ing] you are right". However, policy trumps hypocrisy. Ban me if it's merited, Barek; no matter what happens, Solus is still the loser here. Image:Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 03:31, 28 April 2007 (CDT)

This is not a case of winning or losing, it's not a case of right or wrong, if you feel you must win everything, and even violate policies to do so your edits will not be welcomed on Wiki. Solus 03:33, 28 April 2007 (CDT)

Oh, but it is. It is a case of your indifference winning out over the policy of discussion and debate over content after reverts; it is a case of you being wrong about the LA Ferry scam; it is a case of you feeling you must win everything by declining to fight in the first place. You preach of policies, and yet you've been banned for breaking them as much if not more than myself. You speak of my edits not being welcome to the Wiki, when yours are as questionable if not more in their value. You, sir, are a hypocrite who would prefer to hide behind policy - a coward who would prefer to win his fights by taking advantage of the well-intentioned GW:1RV to disguise the blatant untruth and indefensability of your arguments under truthful and honest criticism. That is the true atrocity here.
Stew in your love of following policies and moral superiority while you can, Solus. If it's my day to die on GuildWiki, yours is not far behind.
P.S. to Barak: Please ban me for breaking GW:GARES now. A month should be sufficient. You wouldn't want me coming back as an anon and vandalizing Sir Solus the Righteous' precious talkpage, now would you? I'm a threat to this community that I cherish so dearly, so for its own sake, please! Ban me. Image:Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 03:44, 28 April 2007 (CDT)


Solus, Don't be a dick. You are inciting other users to break NPA and acting like an idiot at the same time. Stop interacting with Entropy; and for the last time, stop acting immature. -Auron My Talk 03:47, 28 April 2007 (CDT)

Ok, what is going on here. Entropy, this is not a case of right or wrong, this is not a fight, this is not a case of moral superiority, this is a wiki for god's sake. The matter at hand will hopefully be resolved with an Sysops intervention. I honestly do not know why you seem to take such big offence to reverting of information regarding scamming. I suggest you don't not troll and provoke Barek and ask for a ban. Solus 03:55, 28 April 2007 (CDT)

Stop. Seriously. Nothing you say helps the situation, all you're doing is egging her on. For your sake and hers, go visit some other pages on the wiki for a few hours; just stop prolonging the problem. -Auron My Talk 03:57, 28 April 2007 (CDT)

Feeling bad for poor Barek here. Has to listen to this nonsense... Entropy, ignore him, Solus stop being a jerk. Entropy, don't let him bring you down to his level, otherwise you'll sound ridiculous. Solus, stop constantly arguing with absolutely everyone, there is no point. You are disagreeable enough as it is. Readem (talk*contribs) 04:34, 28 April 2007 (CDT)

If you cannot simply involve yourself in a discussion without name calling, why bother. I don't see what basis your calling me a jerk on, I don't see what my "level" is, and I have a point, which 87 agreed with. I'll let Barek hopefully re-solve this. Readem please keep your opinions about me to yourself in future, and do not get involved into discussions you have absouletly no idea about. If I am in the wrong, I'd rather have a sysop tell me that than someone with 99.87 percent of his edits on discussion pages, who is clearly inexperianced and bias in these situtions. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Solus (contribs) 03:48, 28 April 2007.

Ya'll. Shut up. Seriously. Readem, don't provoke further conversation until Barek returns. Solus, you keep ignoring my advice... responding here isn't helping your case. Everybody find something else to do. -Auron My Talk 04:54, 28 April 2007 (CDT)

I just woke up ... I'll look over this, if another admin hasn't already this morning. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 10:57, 28 April 2007 (CDT)
Morning :) And nope, I don't think anyone has. -Auron My Talk 10:58, 28 April 2007 (CDT)
Morning :) No sysop has to my knowledge, I can to you as you solved the Fyren/Solus/Aegis issue quite well. Unfornately Auron and Readem had to get involved and violate more polices >_> Well enjoy. Solus 11:01, 28 April 2007 (CDT)
Okay, having an emergency here this morning ... I need to take a cat to the vet. I've looked over the article history - it doesn't appear on first pass that GW:1RV has been violated (although I'm not certain yet who owns the anon IP). But, my initial take on it is as follows:
  1. The content was added in the past, I don't know yet by whom, I didn't go back that far.
  2. User:209.6.230.216 removed the content
  3. User:Entropy re-inserted the content
  4. user:Solus removed the content
  5. User:Entropy re-inserted the content, but commented out, so technically not visible, so not viewing this as a second revert.
From what I've seen so far, each individual has only reverted once. If Entropy was the one who added it originally in the past, then re-inserted it would have been a violation of GW:1RV - but as I recall, the wording of the policy is that if your edit was removed, do not automatically re-insert it (or the corollary, do not re-remove it). So if it was originally added by someone else, Entropy's edit wouldn't be a violation. I'll re-review the policy when I get back to confirm.
I haven't read much of the discussions above yet, nor the comments on that articles talk page, I'll look at those when I get back as well to review the arguments on both sides (note: might be quite a bit later - I recommend that both sides relax and try to discuss it calmly - hopefully concensus can be reached). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 11:52, 28 April 2007 (CDT)

It wasn't a dispute over the revert issue, but more a dispute over the information being re-inserted. Then I think it was taken too far with comments such as this "P.S. to Barak: Please ban me for breaking GW:GARES now. A month should be sufficient. You wouldn't want me coming back as an anon and vandalizing Sir Solus the Righteous' precious talkpage, now would you? I'm a threat to this community that I cherish so dearly, so for its own sake, please! Ban me. (T/C) 03:44, 28 April 2007 (CDT)". Then Readem got involved with a bias and blunt attempt to add his prespective without understanding the discussion at hand. 87 agreed with the removing of the content, "Begging" is too general to consider it a scam. I personally don't see how begging would turn into a scam other than the begger keeps asking for more. The ignore list pretty much silences any persistent begger. The LA ferrying should be considered a scam, since as stated, it's can be done alone easily. --8765 02:49, 28 April 2007 (CDT)" 87 agreed with the begging content, but still regarding Entropy ruthlessly re-inserted the comment with edits from other users in her Favor. Solus 21:40, 28 April 2007 (CDT)

Sorry about misunderstanding the issue - that's what I get for not reading all the above posts.
I hate doing this, but if an admin's involvement is required, I need to ask that another admin be contacted at this time. Unfortuneately, I'll be away from the wiki for a bit. The earlier emergency has grown - we learned at the vet that our cat is going through kidney failure (age related, none of the foods he receives have been involved in the recalls). It's uncurrable, but can be treated to manage the illness - but on top of other issue in real life, this basically means that my online time is dropping to micro-levels. I may peek in here from time to time to make quick posts, but I likely won't have the bandwidth to address issues until this is resolved. I'll add a notice to the top of my user page notifying everyone. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:28, 28 April 2007 (CDT)
I'm sorry to here that, I won't bother you from now on. Solus 23:49, 28 April 2007 (CDT)
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